Richard Dawkins is horrible, sexist, and engages in rape culture.
(In other news water is wet). But I can’t help but respond and remind him how horrible he is.
this fucking guy
……..but he’s right. It’s not an endorsement. It’s saying both are bad. But what is worse? Being raped, or being raped And brutally beaten until you’re damn near dead? Neither is good. Neither is wanted. Just one is essentially worse a prospect.
I already covered this in some of my tweets to Richard Dawkins but I’ll repeat it again.
All forms of rape are violent. There is no such thing as a “mild” rape or molestation. This is because rape, pedophilia, and other forms of sexual violence are incredibly personal and everyone responds differently to the trauma.
One person might prefer to be brutally beaten and raped by a stranger than be molested by their father because of issues like trust, family, and their on going safety.
One person could experience a “mild date” rape and have longer lasting trauma and PTSD than someone who was raped at knife point by a stranger.
Rape, pedophilia, sexual violence, and the trauma related to them are very individualistic, personal, emotional and thus not quantitative. What is “worse” for one person is not as “bad” for another. What is “mild” and not resulting in lasting for trauma for one person can result in serious PTSD for another. There are myriad ways to react to sexual violence, and it depends on the individuals involved, not which sort is quantified as “worse” by outsiders.
All forms of rape are rape. All forms of pedophilia are pedophilia. All forms of sexual violence are violent. No one besides the victim/survivor gets to comment on how bad it was or whether it could have been worse. Not you, not Richard Dawkins, it doesn’t matter how much you try to quantify it or be logical. Trauma and how it manifests isn’t controlled by logic.
Now onto the issue of rape culture. Society as a whole already classifies types of sexual violence as “worse” and “not as bad”. With stranger rape involving weapons and beatings being the worst and pretty much the only kind that results in a prison sentence for the rapist. This issue with that is that the majority of rapes (like 70%) aren’t “violent” or committed by stingers. So that happens is that the majority of rapes are downplayed, seen as ‘not as bad” or in many cases not a “rape” rape (read a real rape). So the majority of rapists never see arrests, never mind a court or jail. Because victims don’t feel like they’ll be believed, they might be shamed and silenced, they might try to report and not be taken seriously, they might struggle to acknowledge they were raped because “it could have been worse, it wasn’t *violent*” (This happened to me btw). Thus creating a rape culture where only 3% of rapists see prison. (This system holds true for pedophilia by the way, but I don’t know the sentencing stats off the top of my head).
So Richard Dawkins, you, and other’s who try to quantify rape a “bad” and “worse” are not just illogically trying to rate things are incredibly individualistic and emotional. But while doing so you’re also feeding into a culture that already classifies rapes as “worse” and “not as bad” (straight on to not real rape no matter what the law says). And thus victims don’t get the support they need and rapists aren’t held accountable for the crimes they commit.
So basically, all of you can shove your “thought experiments” where the sun don’t shine. Not only are you logically wrong. But you’re enforcing a culture that results in immediate and continued harm for literally millions of people.
but I don’t understand what your contention is. He has not said, at least as far as those tweets goes, that rape in any form is good. All he has done is made a comparison to one situation being far worse than the other. Both are bad. Both are horrific. But one you’re left for dead and the other you wish you were. It’s entirely up to you to pick which one, of course. So essentially one is worse than the other. That’s all I’m seeing here and from you all I see is trying to claim someone is perpetuating “rape culture” by realizing that, yes, there is a worse scenario to an already horrible scenario.
Look, I am not looking to pick a fight. I’m literally confused as to how those small statements of “this situation is bad, but this much more brutal situation is worse. No one wants either.” is perpetuating “rape culture” when he is acknowledging exactly that both are terrible things. Pedophilia is sick. Rape is sick. Murder is sick. All of these things are done by sick people who probably ought to have been drowned at birth. I have no idea who this guy is, so I am only going by these tweets here. And these tweets say nothing that disagrees with you.
I’m guessing you didn’t bother to read the majority of what I wrote. I understand that Dawkins (and you) don’t think you’re saying one for of rape pedophilia is ok. And in words you’re not. But the societal implications mean that by attempting to quantify rape in the way you and Dawkins are means society treats certain forms of rape as more acceptable and not worth prosecuting as others.
Likewise, the first paragraphs of my post are about how any form of rape/pedophilia/sexual violence is not quantifiable at a large cause/logical level. Every victim/survivor reacts differently, and no one can speak for victims/survivors. Even a single victim/survivor (like Dawkins) cannot speak for others. The amount of trauma is based on the individual, not the “type” of sexual violence.
Also shut the fuck up about that “wish you were dead” shit. That’s a rape myth. Some victims/survivors feel that way. But many of us don’t. Acting like people think death is preferable to surviving rape is one reason victims/survivors are ashamed to speak out. It’s also why plenty of us victims/survivors aren’t treated as “proper” victims, because we’re not the “right type” of traumatized.
How about you learn the fist thing about rape, pedophilia, and the aftermath for victims/survivors before you comment on out trauma or which type is “mild” or quantifiably “worse.”
His statements don’t disagree with you. They’re also complete asinine because it’s all subjective. And as for saying “wish they were dead” it is a true statement for some people. That was exactly the point. It’s all subjective and that is entirely the response of some people.
I appreciate that, as you have stated in the tweets, that you have been raped. I’m glad you are safe now and I wish nothing but good fortune for you. But being a really nasty, condescending bitch to me only really proves that you’re a nasty, condescending bitch.
None of what he has said makes any kind of rape any lesser than another kind of rape. It’s all rape. There is no endorsement, there is no making a society believe that one form of rape is better than another, it is merely a statement that one is generally worse than the other. I’m sorry you don’t see that.